Professor Thomas Oord has spent years wrestling with the problem of evil. Why, if God is all powerful and all loving, is there so much evil in the world? This question has brought Thomas to the edge of his faith. In recent years, though, he has begun to consider a radical solution. Perhaps God can’t stop evil? As shocking as this sounds, Thomas is careful to show how biblical this idea is, and just how much it looks like Jesus. Tune in for a mind bending episode!


If this episode has whetted your appetite, and you want to dig deeper into the ideas Tom raised, then make sure you check out his book The Uncontrolling Love of God. And if that’s not enough (!) he’s got plenty of other books to get stuck into, and he regularly blogs over at his website.

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6 comments on “Thomas Oord – The Uncontrolling Love of God (N168)

  1. I would think from my reading of scripture is that God controls things in such a way that some key individuals do not have a free will, so as to influence God’s ultimate plan for all others. So most everyone has free will to choose the good verses the evil, throughout their lives, e.g. Nineveh, but other’s have a pivotal role in shaping out the future for his plan e.g. Judas Iscariot. These pivotal individuals are protected from our free will.

    • Judas is an interesting one. Matthew 26:24 says ‘The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
      This makes it sound like Jesus’s betrayal was inevitable, but it wasn’t inevitable that Judas was the one who would betray him. Judas had freewill.

      • Peter was pretty certain that he had the free will no to deny his Lord, yet he denied him three times.

        • Yes, it certainly looks like Jesus knew Peter would betray him three times. I’m not sure that Jesus’s foreknowledge of this event has to imply a loss of Peter’s freewill.
          It seems strange to me that God would take over Peter’s freewill and make him betray Jesus. Would God make someone sin? Doesn’t that make God culpable of sin himself? Would Peter be guilty of that sin, even though he didn’t chose to do it?
          Seems more straightforward that Jesus simply predicted what Peter would do.

  2. Jacqui Mar 17, 2018

    That interview was mind blowing and disconcerting. It really is hard to get my head round. Need at least another listen to I think. Thanks for the interview.

    BTW, if you ever want to do an interview in Melbourne, Australia, our church would certainly give you a room!

    • It certainly was a mind bender! I read the book, read book reviews, listened to other interviews with Tom, and interviewed him myself, but I’m still struggling to get my head round it! Definitely worthy of a few more listens!
      I’ll give you a shout next time we’re recording in OZ!

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