In another break from our usual interview format, we listen in on a conversation between Jemimah and Joy as they reflect on their experiences as women who grew up immersed in evangelical Christianity. Unpicking some of the messages they absorbed over the years, they examine what it means for them to move away from repression and reconnect with their embodied and internal experiencing. Learning to value their own voice, they also explore the responsibility that comes with agency and privilege within their respective communities.

Conversation starts at 4m 30s.

Images used with permission.


“The message I grew up with seemed to be having strong opinions was not ‘submitting’ in the way that we should be. I think it undermines confidence in listening to yourself, in valuing how you respond to something. If you’re troubled by something and yet told that actually this is how it is – and the leaders and the men or whoever is creating it have done it like that – and you feel a bit troubled with it, it turns the issue around onto yourself. You become the issue, rather than actually maybe I have something to offer here that could help. And maybe actually I should be valuing how I’m responding.”

“What happened in that story that I described didn’t feel like I was finally able to be a ‘true woman’; it just felt like I was able to be who I was created to be – a human. And I feel like the things we’ve been describing – systems that suppress certain aspects of our humanity – is applicable to everyone regardless of gender.”

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  1. Liselotte Horneman Kragh Feb 27, 2020

    Brilliant! What a wonderful and thoughtful conversation, gentle and incredibly strong at the same time. Thank you SO much, it was deeply moving to listen to. It feels like having had a precious seed planted within; as if something strong and vital can take root and send shoots of life through the concrete of endless centuries of (male) tradition.
    Liselotte, Denmark

  2. Rachel Moffat Mar 11, 2020

    Thank you for this! There’s so much here, I will have to keep coming back to wander through the ideas. Some really valuable insights that I hadn’t recognised before. Liselotte puts it brilliantly below when she says a seed has been planted – it certainly helps to clarify new ways of thinking about the past and how to shape the present/future differently.

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