Janet Williams joins us to discuss apophatic theology and spirituality. I know, it doesn’t sound like the most riveting topic. But trust me, it’s essential listening for anyone who’s been through some kind of deconstruction, faith evolution or dark night of the soul, anyone who’s interested in mysticism, or who’s gown tired and disillusioned with the Church’s obsession with trying to tightly define God.

After the interview, Nomad hosts Tim Nash and Jemimah McAlpine reflect on Janet’s experiences and insights and ponder whether they shed new light on their own evolving faith journeys.

Interview starts at 11m 32s

Image provided by Janet Williams. Used with permission.


Seeking the God Beyond: A Beginner’s Guide to Christian Apophatic Spirituality


“We’re not saying that there is no truth in ideas about God that we might have to go beyond. Of course there’s truth in them – but it’s partial. And we need to be really careful about getting stuck on partial truth, because God is dynamic. Augustine calls Him, ‘Ever ancient, ever new,’ and we can lose that sense of newness.”

“Almost certainly, the shoes that Moses was wearing were the skins of some other animal. And so my understanding of, ‘take off your shoes because you’re standing on holy ground,’ is you have to stand before God in your own skin – not covered in somebody else’s. And an awful lot of those certainties about God…they’re like somebody else’s skin, aren’t they?”

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  1. Jacqui Mar 6, 2019

    a) This did my head in, in a good way!
    b) Janet has a beautiful voice to listen to!

    (sorry, I had to use words).

  2. Amazing interview! Absolutely loved it!!!

  3. Amazing interview!
    that was perfect!

  4. Michelle Jul 27, 2023

    Janet was one of my tutor’s at St Hild theological college and shared about Apophatic Spirituality during that time. She is an inspirational speaker and teacher. This has reminded me to explore this aspect of spirituality some more again – starting with her book. Thank you.

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