In this episode we talk about Jesus with the Franciscan friar and founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation, Richard Rohr.
Fr. Richard believes Jesus is the personification of God’s constant, unfolding work in the world. Consequently, he sees faith as being less about proving Jesus was God, and more about learning to recognise the Creator’s presence all around us and in everyone we meet.
So we ask Fr. Richard how his faith has been reshaped by this discovery, what the implications of the loss of this worldview have been for the Church and the world, where the atonement fits in, whether there’s still any need for religion, and many more questions.
As you’d expect from Fr. Richard, his answers are thought-provoking and full of hope.
Interview starts at 17m 53s
“The only thing that keeps you separate from God is your humanly manufactured thought that you’re separate from God.”
“Whenever you hear religion become transactional – quid pro quo, tit for tat, this much sin this much punishment, this much grace this much reward – you’d do well not to trust it. When you find religions’ messages are transformational – that they ask a change of consciousness, of growth in consciousness on your part – that’s the road you want to go down.”
“Once you legitimate acceptable violence in God, that God has to be violent – ‘God has to kill,’ as we put it very piously, ‘His own Son to save the world’ – we’ve legitimated violence all the way down.”
“[Jesus] is what we do to ourselves, he is what we do to one another, he is what we do to the Earth: we kill what we should love. Jesus-the-crucified is a code word for the human pattern of self-destruction.”